Jane, the riverwalk is already heavily populated with criminals as a poster noted here:
When will your cops find the time to do something besides TAILGATE ME and go after real criminals????? SERIOUSLY.
They're just stupid. And some are murderers.
Tampa Riverwalk to honor six local trailblazers
By Richard Danielson, Times Staff Writer
Richard DanielsonTampa Bay Times In Print: Wednesday, March 7, 2012
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Rafael Martinez-Ybor stands next to a depiction of the bronze bust that will honor his great grandfather Vicente Martinez-Ybor, one of the first six honorees at Riverwalk. “It’s just an honor to have him be one of the first six,” Martinez-Ybor said.
When nine local historians met to pick the first six pioneers to be honored on Tampa's Riverwalk, they came up with three men, two women and a surprise.
The surprise — the first selection announced at the Tampa Bay History Center Tuesday — was not an individual, but a group: the earliest mound-building Indians to settle around Tampa Bay and in what is now downtown Tampa.
The others represent early strivers in shipping (James McKay Sr.), railroads and hotels (Henry B. Plant), cigarmaking (Vicente Martinez-Ybor), nursing (Clara Frye) and women's rights (Eleanor McWilliams Chamberlain).
"What resonates with me is that these were individuals who not only cared about themselves and their families, but about their community and helping someone else," Mayor Bob Buckhorn said at the ceremony.
Each honoree will be memorialized with a bronze bust created by Tampa artist Steven Dickey. The art is expected to be installed on the Riverwalk in the next six to nine months. The nonprofit Friends of the Riverwalk privately raised the $15,000 needed to make each bust.
As the Friends of the Riverwalk raises more money, the group will call together the historians to make more selections and install more markers, said Steve Anderson, who chairs the Friends' historic monument trail committee.
Meanwhile, city officials plan to work on some fundraising of their own by reapplying for a federal transportation grant to build the last big leg of the Riverwalk. That piece will connect MacDill Park to Curtis Hixon Waterfront Park. Its estimated cost is $12 million because the Sheraton hotel and other properties along that section are built out to the seawall, forcing the Riverwalk to be built over the river near the bank.
"We're going to get it done, and at the end of this we will have a celebration unlike anything that we have ever seen," Buckhorn said.
"When that Riverwalk behind you is finished in the not-very-distant future," Anderson said, "the city of Tampa is going to be transformed in ways that we are just now beginning to realize."
Not only will it be a place to walk and enjoy the waterfront, he said, but also to dine, to meet others and, with the historical monuments announced Tuesday, to learn about the history of Tampa.
To be considered, the honorees had to have lived here, left a significant, positive legacy and been dead for at least 15 years.
For the descendents of those selected, Tuesday's ceremony was a moving tribute.
"It means a great deal, because to me, he was my idol," said Martinez-Ybor's great-grandson Rafael Martinez-Ybor, 83, a retired banker who lives in Temple Terrace. "I'm very proud to carry his name."
Times researcher Caryn Baird contributed to this report.
Six Tampa trailblazers
The Mound Builders
Arriving on the peninsula about 12,000 years ago, Florida's first people lived here until the early 1700s, when they were decimated by European diseases, war and slaving raids. A small group, the Mocoso, lived along the bay where downtown Tampa now stands. The Tocobaga and Pohoy also lived along the bay. All built up large mounds, either for ceremonies or where they discarded shells. Fort Brooke rose where one especially tall mound stood.
Eleanor McWilliams Chamberlain (1858-1934)
A year after moving to Tampa in 1883, she began speaking on women's rights. Within 10 years, she organized a suffrage society that led efforts statewide. She later worked on "Mother's Pensions," an early form of Social Security for widows, and on charity, especially for African-Americans.
Clara C. Frye (1872-1936)
A nurse, Frye moved to Tampa in 1901, opened a hospital for black patients in her home in 1908, using her dining room table as the operating table, and moved the hospital to a building of its own in 1923. The city purchased it five years later. Today the ninth floor wing of Tampa General Hospital is named for her.
Vicente Martinez-Ybor (1818-1896)
In 1886, Martinez-Ybor led the embattled cigar industry to Tampa, bringing Cuban and Spanish workers with it. Tampa's cigar-producing Latin Quarter soon became known as Ybor City, and Martinez-Ybor founded companies for gas, paving and fire insurance. He built houses and sold them to workers at reasonable prices, brought in doctors and turned a factory over to workers for use as a theater. He invested in the streetcar line and his businesses led to improvements at the port. Every business in Tampa closed for his funeral.
James McKay Sr. (1808-1876)
This Scot moved here in 1846, building a downtown courthouse, the First Baptist Church, the Florida House Hotel and a sawmill. A mayor, county commissioner and county treasurer, McKay founded a shipping company that connected Tampa to other U.S. ports and Cuba, where he sold the cattle from Hillsborough ranches.
Henry B. Plant (1819-1899)
Plant brought the railroad to Tampa, opening northern markets for the city's produce and bringing in tourists. When he opened the Tampa Bay Hotel, now the University of Tampa, in 1891, it attracted dignitaries from all over the world.
Six Tampa trailblazers
The Mound Builders
Arriving on the peninsula about 12,000 years ago, Florida's first people lived here until the early 1700s, when they were decimated by European diseases, war and slaving raids. A small group, the Mocoso, lived along the bay where downtown Tampa now stands. The Tocobaga and Pohoy also lived along the bay. All built up large mounds, either for ceremonies or where they discarded shells. Fort Brooke rose where one especially tall mound stood.
Eleanor McWilliams Chamberlain (1858-1934)
A year after moving to Tampa in 1883, she began speaking on women's rights. Within 10 years, she organized a suffrage society that led efforts statewide. She later worked on "Mother's Pensions," an early form of Social Security for widows, and on charity, especially for African-Americans.
Clara C. Frye (1872-1936)
A nurse, Frye moved to Tampa in 1901, opened a hospital for black patients in her home in 1908, using her dining room table as the operating table, and moved the hospital to a building of its own in 1923. The city purchased it five years later. Today the ninth-floor wing of Tampa General Hospital is named for her.
Vicente Martinez-Ybor (1818-1896)
In 1886, Martinez-Ybor led the embattled cigar industry to Tampa, bringing Cuban and Spanish workers with it. Tampa's cigar-producing Latin Quarter soon became known as Ybor City, and Martinez-Ybor founded companies for gas, paving and fire insurance. He built houses and sold them to workers at reasonable prices, brought in doctors and turned a factory over to workers for use as a theater. He invested in the streetcar line and his businesses led to improvements at the port. Every business in Tampa closed for his funeral.
James McKay Sr. (1808-1876)
This Scot moved here in 1846, building a downtown courthouse, the First Baptist Church, the Florida House Hotel and a sawmill. A mayor, county commissioner and county treasurer, McKay founded a shipping company that connected Tampa to other U.S. ports and Cuba, where he sold the cattle from Hillsborough ranches.
Henry B. Plant (1819-1899)
Plant brought the railroad to Tampa, opening northern markets for the city's produce and bringing in tourists. When he opened the Tampa Bay Hotel, now the University of Tampa, in 1891, it attracted dignitaries from all over the world.
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troofytroof Mar 6, 2012 11:36 PM Yesterday Hi welcome to our scary lil riverwalk of bad dreams, mainly pam iorio's. Careful now ... the river was dyed green for st patrick's day despite the fact that the only Irish here supporting it are the I.R.A. so don't fall in. We're not sure what they used for dye. Nice we have this found private money for bronze and art ... what about THE HURTING PEOPLE?????????? BOB?????????????????? You are the least human democrat EVER.
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rickscottblows Mar 7, 2012 9:06 AM About 1 hour ago Seek help from a mental health professional immediately. Reply Report Abuse 0 1
troofytroof Mar 7, 2012 10:58 AM Less than a minute ago rickscott, I called the one you have on speed-dial. He claims you have him on personal retainer for the conceivable future. I'll have to just muddle along. It's a RIVERWALK, not a museum. I'd like to nominate some of the thieves who gave Tampa her early start and without whom my family would not have been stolen from. All hold high positions in tampa and certainly trail-blazed their way across my family. Since the riverwalk will mainly be used to rob people as it's arleady dangerously populated with thugs, I find that more fitting. Who does rick scott BLOW? LOL
Reply Report Abuse snudge Mar 7, 2012 8:15 AM About 2 hours ago Sorry I won't be around in 100 years when Kevin White's statue is unveiled.
Reply Report Abuse 2 0 ISZGuy Mar 7, 2012 9:39 AM About 1 hour ago Well there's six local trailblazers that nobody will ever see.
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troofytroof Mar 7, 2012 11:02 AM Less than a minute ago "and been dead for at least 15 years". Now, THAT'S HISTORICAL. Wait for it. They have someone in mind. LOL. Typical Tampa. O'd rather drop dead than have a family member immortalized in this one cow town where happy lives are destroyed daily by the control freaks in charge and their twisted ideas on latino and other agendas. HUMAN AGENDAS. You're NOT SPECIAL you're just THIEVES and terrorists..
Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Sunday, March 4, 2012
Greg Stout
Henry can't run for office. That would entail too many questions being asked.
So we have greg stout. His main interest is SOME MORE PUNISHMENT. Just dumb.
Tampa detective pushes stricter gun sentencing
By Jessica Vander Velde, Times Staff Writer
Jessica Vander VeldeTampa Bay Times In Print: Sunday, March 4, 2012
TAMPA — Two officers fatally shot in Miami. Three in Tampa. Three more in St. Petersburg.
Tampa police union president Greg Stout was disgusted.
So a year ago, he took his concerns to his friend Rep. Jim Boyd, a Bradenton Republican.
Together, they worked on a bill that's sailing through the Florida Legislature. It increases the minimum sentence for a violent felon caught with a firearm from three to 10 years.
Three years, Stout said, "seemed a little bit skimpy."
Stout, a detective with the Tampa Police Department, hopes the increase will persuade those who have used guns during a crime not to try it again.
If it doesn't, at least these offenders will be off the streets for seven more years, he said.
"You'll be yanked away from society," Stout said. "We won't have to deal with you."
Stout and Boyd's initial purpose was to look out for law enforcement.
Many of the people accused of shooting Florida officers, they noticed, had previous felony convictions.
By law, they shouldn't have even had guns.
That includes both Hydra Lacy, who shot and killed two St. Petersburg police officers in 2011, and Dontae Morris, who's accused of killing two Tampa police officers in 2010.
"These officers were killed in the line of duty by what I'd consider thugs — felons with guns," Boyd said.
The bill would impact the Florida Department of Corrections' budget, so to save money, lawmakers added a requirement that the previous felony conviction must have included the use of a firearm.
On Wednesday, Stout watched the votes come in on the House floor. It passed unanimously.
Now it's in the Senate's budget and will likely be heard this week.
Though Stout regularly travels to Tallahassee on union matters, this was his first venture into bill-writing. It felt good to get the backing from lawmakers and state law enforcement groups, he said.
And though Boyd doesn't have a vote on the Senate's budget, because the bill has fared so well this far, he can't imagine it not passing.
"With the tragedies we've seen in the Tampa Bay area, hopefully this will be a sign that we're serious about taking a firm stand," he said, "and protecting those who protect us."
Times staff writers Jamal Thalji and Steve Bousquet contributed to this report. Jessica Vander Velde can be reached at jvandervelde@tampabay.com or (813) 226-3433.
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FatherGuidoSarducci Mar 3, 2012 9:15 PM Yesterday Should be MANDATORY 10 years with option of more
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mycountry Mar 3, 2012 9:38 PM Yesterday what should be 10 years? killing a cop? is that 10 years in addition to life in prison? or following the death sentence? why do we need this law? do you really think the three years sentence is really an issue. the offenders mentioned in the story will never see freedom again. so again i ask, why do w need this law? why are cops writing laws? what happened with the people we elect? are they unable to do these things on their own? what happened with the separation of powers and the check and balance system legislators write laws, cops enforce laws and judges apply the law. why are cops, the enforcers, doing the work of the law writers? because its a war in this country. the government against the people. we are searched at courthouses, airports, and in our neighbors by cops waging war on citizens in the name of safety. THE BIGGEST THREAT TO THE FREEDOMS OF A FREE PEOPLE IS THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT. WE DO NOT NEED THIS LAW FOR COP KILLERS SO REALLY WHY DO WE NEED THIS LAW? Reply Report Abuse 7 5 Marywilson01 Mar 3, 2012 9:29 PM Yesterday The United States has the highest incarceration rate in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate
Oh boy. Lets just have tougher sentences.
Sorry folks. More prison time will not stop shootings and killings.
The only answer to stopping crime is to return our nation back to a moral society. Family, Church, Education.
How do we do this. Put prayer back in school. Even if it takes a constitutional ammendment. Do away with no-fault divorce, stop the violence and vulgarity in movies, tv, and video games, again with a constituional ammendment if necessary.
Knee jerk "lock 'em away longer remedies haven't worked and won't work. They are strictly a useless feel good response.
Sincerely.
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Tampa Jim Mar 4, 2012 2:45 AM About 6 hours ago Sure, praying in schools and cleaning up language on TV shows will solve all of society's problems - not. Get real. I grew up praying in school and we still had murders, robberies and rapes occurring. When I was nine or ten years old, I had two friends who were brothers. About 30 years later, I ran into a mutual friend and asked him about the brothers. He told me that one was serving 15 years for bank robbery and the other was serving a life sentence for murder. Instead of prayer, we need to provide better and more relevant education in our schools so that kids will graduate, go on to college and get good paying jobs. We also need to decriminalize drugs so that kids who get caught with small quantities of a substance don't wind up in the criminal (in)justice system or have a record that will keep them from being hired. I agree with you that knee jerk "lock 'em away longer remedies haven't worked, but prayer and stopping vulgarity is also not the answer. Reply Report Abuse 5 0 Dave in St Pete Mar 3, 2012 9:32 PM Yesterday Sounds good but it should be set up so that it cannot be bargained away by the lawyers. Felon caught with a gun gets 10 years, period, no deals.
Reply Report Abuse 0 6 mycountry Mar 3, 2012 9:52 PM Yesterday Please think about the actions of government. Please ponder this question? Its September 12, 2001. Yesterday four planes were hijacked and crashed into three buildings and it appears the final plane was set for that same plan. Today, again its September 12, 2001, five men with case cutters and hobby knives grab five passengers/crew members and insist on gaining entry onto the flightdeck of the aircraft. How long do you think these five men will live? 10, 15, 20 seconds? I suspect, Todd Beamer, demonstrates the take charge mentality of most people. Realizing that the plane he was on was on its final flight, he along with fellow passengers attempted to retake the plane. The very next day, had the story been, five men with case cutters and hobby knives took five passengers hostage, I suspect there would been five dead hostage takers who HAD knives and case cutters. No need for TSA. No need to restructure the government at hundreds of billions of dollars.
Reply Report Abuse 4 2 Spring hill nurse Mar 3, 2012 9:53 PM Yesterday Today they are all for the law. in 3 years when their budget gets stripped another 20% because we now have to house x number of inmates for an additional 7 years, he will be whining and belly aching.
As in most cases, we need to enforce the laws we already have. we dont need to make tough new ones to replace what we already dont enforce.
Reply Report Abuse 0 7 elainec Mar 3, 2012 10:01 PM Yesterday I could have sworn I saw commercials and billboards that said 10/20/Life. My bad, I guess they didn't mean it.
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Marywilson01 Mar 3, 2012 10:24 PM Yesterday Dear Elainec, The new law is not about 10/20/Life. 10/20/Life is mandatory sentencing for commiting a crime while having a gun 10/ using a gun 20/ firing the gun or shooting someone/ Life. This new law is just for a convicted criminal beging found in possesion of a firearm. Not having it or using it in a new crime. Maybe in his house or car. 10 years. And the way the law is written it doesn't even have to be a firearm. It can be just one bullet. Found in the floorboard or in the garage. Sincerely, Reply Report Abuse 2 2 Havok Mar 3, 2012 10:25 PM Yesterday I saw those too, along with the posters in store windows, now it's like Probation, 10 months, 2 years. It's sickening that these laws have been created and not enforced. Reply Report Abuse 0 4 mycountry Mar 3, 2012 10:15 PM Yesterday Todd Beamer wanted to take back that airplane, not to be a hero. No it was a more selfish reason. He wanted to live. I suspect there was no one more concerned with Todd beamers life than Todd Beamer. No screener at an airport, no cop on the street, no official in an office, there is no way I will be convinced some government employee, neither elected nor hired, cares more about my and my families health, education, retirement, and well being more than me. To them its a job. Government it TOO BIG, TOO POWERFUL, and TOO INTRUSIVE AND SECRETIVE. Give me the information, I will take care of myself and my family. In 1998, the government had chatter from the intel community of hijacking planes. I guess those on the planes wished they had known of this information. Maybe with this information, Todd Beamer and other passengers on other planes would have foreseen the impending doom and reacted sooner. SMALLER GOVERNMENT AND MORE INFORMATION IS NEEDED.
Reply Report Abuse 3 4 doubletap Mar 3, 2012 10:36 PM Yesterday The NRA has been begging for this for years
we have to many felons on the streets that
would be in jail had they served their full
sentence. Why release them to go right back
to doing more crime?
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imacdaddy Mar 3, 2012 11:05 PM Yesterday Ditto. I am a gun owner and believe it is a right, not a privilege. Break the law, go to jail. Reply Report Abuse 0 5 Shiek Yerbooti Mar 4, 2012 6:53 AM About 2 hours ago I just don't think that the message of deterance gets out well enough. Make it a part of scool curriculium, a reality tv quiz show, I don't know but it sure would be nice if people would slow down and think before they do that dumb thing. Yeah, I know, keep dreaming. Reply Report Abuse 0 0 troofytroof Mar 3, 2012 11:21 PM Yesterday Thank you, mary wilson. So sick of this over police officers. IF the police were doing their jobs properly in the first place they wouldn't have left their own to be gunned down nor would they have set up mike roberts.
Reply Report Abuse 6 2 Observations and analysis Mar 4, 2012 4:05 AM About 4 hours ago Don't see that long mandatory sentences have ever been shown to be a deterrent. Once a commitment has been made, and it has been made, to allow easy access to guns, well, everyone will have them.
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hardraada Mar 4, 2012 7:34 AM About 1 hour ago Sadly, that commitment... to allow easy access to guns was made back in 1791. Reply Report Abuse 0 1 vdogg29gs Mar 4, 2012 5:00 AM About 3 hours ago my question is this.....why try and create NEW laws & punishments or revision them when the majority already in the state law book DONT GET ENFORCED NOW......ARMEGDON IS COMING
Reply Report Abuse 3 1 inspector Mar 4, 2012 6:48 AM About 2 hours ago This is partly about the sentensing, but more about prevention. I am a gun owner and carry permit holder. I am not a gun nut. In 20 years, I have had to pull my gun 3 times to thwart a robbery attempt. Never had to fire.
I would not have a problem with anytime that an officer has to approach a car or an indivdual,even in a traffic stop, to unholster his or her weapon. I know there are good and bad cops. Most are good and in a tuff situation I want one of them there.
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hardraada Mar 4, 2012 7:31 AM About 1 hour ago Three times in 20 years? You have probably drawn your gun more than most cops. Reply Report Abuse 1 0 hardraada Mar 4, 2012 7:30 AM About 1 hour ago I appreciate what Greg Stout is doing, what ALL the police do for us generally. I'm for anything that makes their job safer.
This bill is about previously-convicted felons caught with firearms. It's not about punishing people who shoot LEOs. Some posters here seemed confused on that.
Most of these felons ARE felons because they haven't the education or intelligence to be anything else. This law won't stop them from carrying guns. But if caught, as Greg Stout points out, at least they'll be out of our hair for longer.
I can see one unintended consequence: If the felon knows about the ten-year-rule (and most wouldn't; they're too ignorant to read) he MAY be tempted to shoot it out with an officer rather than submit to arrest. But I'm sure Greg Stout has considered that and if he's comfortable with the bill, so am I.
Reply Report Abuse 0 0 justme2 Mar 4, 2012 7:49 AM About 1 hour ago Punishment has very little to do with crime. Criminals do not committ crime pondering whether or not they'll end up getting caught. People will still carry illegal guns, rob people, and shoot/kill humans. The 10 yr sentence will keep the criminals locked up longer, but, it certainly wont stop the criminal element from doing what they do.
Reply Report Abuse 0 0 Fubar62 Mar 4, 2012 8:05 AM About 25 minutes ago Good job Mr. Stout and Mr. Boyd. Hopefully, you can get at least a ten year sentence pushed through as quickly as possible and anyone who opposes it is either a very questionable politician or He/She has no "cahoonas"?
Reply Report Abuse 1 0 Fubar62 Mar 4, 2012 8:11 AM About 19 minutes ago I would like to see 1st time child molesters, 10 years, 2nd time, death.
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troofytroof Mar 4, 2012 8:31 AM Less than a minute ago Good to know that a tampa cop has friends in high places. I guess we'd know the same of tampa cop/drug lord henry duran and his yard(S) of porsches.
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troofytroof Mar 4, 2012 8:32 AM Less than a minute ago You see this guy Stout's name WAY too much. He has an agenda.
So we have greg stout. His main interest is SOME MORE PUNISHMENT. Just dumb.
Tampa detective pushes stricter gun sentencing
By Jessica Vander Velde, Times Staff Writer
Jessica Vander VeldeTampa Bay Times In Print: Sunday, March 4, 2012
TAMPA — Two officers fatally shot in Miami. Three in Tampa. Three more in St. Petersburg.
Tampa police union president Greg Stout was disgusted.
So a year ago, he took his concerns to his friend Rep. Jim Boyd, a Bradenton Republican.
Together, they worked on a bill that's sailing through the Florida Legislature. It increases the minimum sentence for a violent felon caught with a firearm from three to 10 years.
Three years, Stout said, "seemed a little bit skimpy."
Stout, a detective with the Tampa Police Department, hopes the increase will persuade those who have used guns during a crime not to try it again.
If it doesn't, at least these offenders will be off the streets for seven more years, he said.
"You'll be yanked away from society," Stout said. "We won't have to deal with you."
Stout and Boyd's initial purpose was to look out for law enforcement.
Many of the people accused of shooting Florida officers, they noticed, had previous felony convictions.
By law, they shouldn't have even had guns.
That includes both Hydra Lacy, who shot and killed two St. Petersburg police officers in 2011, and Dontae Morris, who's accused of killing two Tampa police officers in 2010.
"These officers were killed in the line of duty by what I'd consider thugs — felons with guns," Boyd said.
The bill would impact the Florida Department of Corrections' budget, so to save money, lawmakers added a requirement that the previous felony conviction must have included the use of a firearm.
On Wednesday, Stout watched the votes come in on the House floor. It passed unanimously.
Now it's in the Senate's budget and will likely be heard this week.
Though Stout regularly travels to Tallahassee on union matters, this was his first venture into bill-writing. It felt good to get the backing from lawmakers and state law enforcement groups, he said.
And though Boyd doesn't have a vote on the Senate's budget, because the bill has fared so well this far, he can't imagine it not passing.
"With the tragedies we've seen in the Tampa Bay area, hopefully this will be a sign that we're serious about taking a firm stand," he said, "and protecting those who protect us."
Times staff writers Jamal Thalji and Steve Bousquet contributed to this report. Jessica Vander Velde can be reached at jvandervelde@tampabay.com or (813) 226-3433.
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FatherGuidoSarducci Mar 3, 2012 9:15 PM Yesterday Should be MANDATORY 10 years with option of more
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mycountry Mar 3, 2012 9:38 PM Yesterday what should be 10 years? killing a cop? is that 10 years in addition to life in prison? or following the death sentence? why do we need this law? do you really think the three years sentence is really an issue. the offenders mentioned in the story will never see freedom again. so again i ask, why do w need this law? why are cops writing laws? what happened with the people we elect? are they unable to do these things on their own? what happened with the separation of powers and the check and balance system legislators write laws, cops enforce laws and judges apply the law. why are cops, the enforcers, doing the work of the law writers? because its a war in this country. the government against the people. we are searched at courthouses, airports, and in our neighbors by cops waging war on citizens in the name of safety. THE BIGGEST THREAT TO THE FREEDOMS OF A FREE PEOPLE IS THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT. WE DO NOT NEED THIS LAW FOR COP KILLERS SO REALLY WHY DO WE NEED THIS LAW? Reply Report Abuse 7 5 Marywilson01 Mar 3, 2012 9:29 PM Yesterday The United States has the highest incarceration rate in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate
Oh boy. Lets just have tougher sentences.
Sorry folks. More prison time will not stop shootings and killings.
The only answer to stopping crime is to return our nation back to a moral society. Family, Church, Education.
How do we do this. Put prayer back in school. Even if it takes a constitutional ammendment. Do away with no-fault divorce, stop the violence and vulgarity in movies, tv, and video games, again with a constituional ammendment if necessary.
Knee jerk "lock 'em away longer remedies haven't worked and won't work. They are strictly a useless feel good response.
Sincerely.
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Tampa Jim Mar 4, 2012 2:45 AM About 6 hours ago Sure, praying in schools and cleaning up language on TV shows will solve all of society's problems - not. Get real. I grew up praying in school and we still had murders, robberies and rapes occurring. When I was nine or ten years old, I had two friends who were brothers. About 30 years later, I ran into a mutual friend and asked him about the brothers. He told me that one was serving 15 years for bank robbery and the other was serving a life sentence for murder. Instead of prayer, we need to provide better and more relevant education in our schools so that kids will graduate, go on to college and get good paying jobs. We also need to decriminalize drugs so that kids who get caught with small quantities of a substance don't wind up in the criminal (in)justice system or have a record that will keep them from being hired. I agree with you that knee jerk "lock 'em away longer remedies haven't worked, but prayer and stopping vulgarity is also not the answer. Reply Report Abuse 5 0 Dave in St Pete Mar 3, 2012 9:32 PM Yesterday Sounds good but it should be set up so that it cannot be bargained away by the lawyers. Felon caught with a gun gets 10 years, period, no deals.
Reply Report Abuse 0 6 mycountry Mar 3, 2012 9:52 PM Yesterday Please think about the actions of government. Please ponder this question? Its September 12, 2001. Yesterday four planes were hijacked and crashed into three buildings and it appears the final plane was set for that same plan. Today, again its September 12, 2001, five men with case cutters and hobby knives grab five passengers/crew members and insist on gaining entry onto the flightdeck of the aircraft. How long do you think these five men will live? 10, 15, 20 seconds? I suspect, Todd Beamer, demonstrates the take charge mentality of most people. Realizing that the plane he was on was on its final flight, he along with fellow passengers attempted to retake the plane. The very next day, had the story been, five men with case cutters and hobby knives took five passengers hostage, I suspect there would been five dead hostage takers who HAD knives and case cutters. No need for TSA. No need to restructure the government at hundreds of billions of dollars.
Reply Report Abuse 4 2 Spring hill nurse Mar 3, 2012 9:53 PM Yesterday Today they are all for the law. in 3 years when their budget gets stripped another 20% because we now have to house x number of inmates for an additional 7 years, he will be whining and belly aching.
As in most cases, we need to enforce the laws we already have. we dont need to make tough new ones to replace what we already dont enforce.
Reply Report Abuse 0 7 elainec Mar 3, 2012 10:01 PM Yesterday I could have sworn I saw commercials and billboards that said 10/20/Life. My bad, I guess they didn't mean it.
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Marywilson01 Mar 3, 2012 10:24 PM Yesterday Dear Elainec, The new law is not about 10/20/Life. 10/20/Life is mandatory sentencing for commiting a crime while having a gun 10/ using a gun 20/ firing the gun or shooting someone/ Life. This new law is just for a convicted criminal beging found in possesion of a firearm. Not having it or using it in a new crime. Maybe in his house or car. 10 years. And the way the law is written it doesn't even have to be a firearm. It can be just one bullet. Found in the floorboard or in the garage. Sincerely, Reply Report Abuse 2 2 Havok Mar 3, 2012 10:25 PM Yesterday I saw those too, along with the posters in store windows, now it's like Probation, 10 months, 2 years. It's sickening that these laws have been created and not enforced. Reply Report Abuse 0 4 mycountry Mar 3, 2012 10:15 PM Yesterday Todd Beamer wanted to take back that airplane, not to be a hero. No it was a more selfish reason. He wanted to live. I suspect there was no one more concerned with Todd beamers life than Todd Beamer. No screener at an airport, no cop on the street, no official in an office, there is no way I will be convinced some government employee, neither elected nor hired, cares more about my and my families health, education, retirement, and well being more than me. To them its a job. Government it TOO BIG, TOO POWERFUL, and TOO INTRUSIVE AND SECRETIVE. Give me the information, I will take care of myself and my family. In 1998, the government had chatter from the intel community of hijacking planes. I guess those on the planes wished they had known of this information. Maybe with this information, Todd Beamer and other passengers on other planes would have foreseen the impending doom and reacted sooner. SMALLER GOVERNMENT AND MORE INFORMATION IS NEEDED.
Reply Report Abuse 3 4 doubletap Mar 3, 2012 10:36 PM Yesterday The NRA has been begging for this for years
we have to many felons on the streets that
would be in jail had they served their full
sentence. Why release them to go right back
to doing more crime?
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imacdaddy Mar 3, 2012 11:05 PM Yesterday Ditto. I am a gun owner and believe it is a right, not a privilege. Break the law, go to jail. Reply Report Abuse 0 5 Shiek Yerbooti Mar 4, 2012 6:53 AM About 2 hours ago I just don't think that the message of deterance gets out well enough. Make it a part of scool curriculium, a reality tv quiz show, I don't know but it sure would be nice if people would slow down and think before they do that dumb thing. Yeah, I know, keep dreaming. Reply Report Abuse 0 0 troofytroof Mar 3, 2012 11:21 PM Yesterday Thank you, mary wilson. So sick of this over police officers. IF the police were doing their jobs properly in the first place they wouldn't have left their own to be gunned down nor would they have set up mike roberts.
Reply Report Abuse 6 2 Observations and analysis Mar 4, 2012 4:05 AM About 4 hours ago Don't see that long mandatory sentences have ever been shown to be a deterrent. Once a commitment has been made, and it has been made, to allow easy access to guns, well, everyone will have them.
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hardraada Mar 4, 2012 7:34 AM About 1 hour ago Sadly, that commitment... to allow easy access to guns was made back in 1791. Reply Report Abuse 0 1 vdogg29gs Mar 4, 2012 5:00 AM About 3 hours ago my question is this.....why try and create NEW laws & punishments or revision them when the majority already in the state law book DONT GET ENFORCED NOW......ARMEGDON IS COMING
Reply Report Abuse 3 1 inspector Mar 4, 2012 6:48 AM About 2 hours ago This is partly about the sentensing, but more about prevention. I am a gun owner and carry permit holder. I am not a gun nut. In 20 years, I have had to pull my gun 3 times to thwart a robbery attempt. Never had to fire.
I would not have a problem with anytime that an officer has to approach a car or an indivdual,even in a traffic stop, to unholster his or her weapon. I know there are good and bad cops. Most are good and in a tuff situation I want one of them there.
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hardraada Mar 4, 2012 7:31 AM About 1 hour ago Three times in 20 years? You have probably drawn your gun more than most cops. Reply Report Abuse 1 0 hardraada Mar 4, 2012 7:30 AM About 1 hour ago I appreciate what Greg Stout is doing, what ALL the police do for us generally. I'm for anything that makes their job safer.
This bill is about previously-convicted felons caught with firearms. It's not about punishing people who shoot LEOs. Some posters here seemed confused on that.
Most of these felons ARE felons because they haven't the education or intelligence to be anything else. This law won't stop them from carrying guns. But if caught, as Greg Stout points out, at least they'll be out of our hair for longer.
I can see one unintended consequence: If the felon knows about the ten-year-rule (and most wouldn't; they're too ignorant to read) he MAY be tempted to shoot it out with an officer rather than submit to arrest. But I'm sure Greg Stout has considered that and if he's comfortable with the bill, so am I.
Reply Report Abuse 0 0 justme2 Mar 4, 2012 7:49 AM About 1 hour ago Punishment has very little to do with crime. Criminals do not committ crime pondering whether or not they'll end up getting caught. People will still carry illegal guns, rob people, and shoot/kill humans. The 10 yr sentence will keep the criminals locked up longer, but, it certainly wont stop the criminal element from doing what they do.
Reply Report Abuse 0 0 Fubar62 Mar 4, 2012 8:05 AM About 25 minutes ago Good job Mr. Stout and Mr. Boyd. Hopefully, you can get at least a ten year sentence pushed through as quickly as possible and anyone who opposes it is either a very questionable politician or He/She has no "cahoonas"?
Reply Report Abuse 1 0 Fubar62 Mar 4, 2012 8:11 AM About 19 minutes ago I would like to see 1st time child molesters, 10 years, 2nd time, death.
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troofytroof Mar 4, 2012 8:31 AM Less than a minute ago Good to know that a tampa cop has friends in high places. I guess we'd know the same of tampa cop/drug lord henry duran and his yard(S) of porsches.
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troofytroof Mar 4, 2012 8:32 AM Less than a minute ago You see this guy Stout's name WAY too much. He has an agenda.
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